Causes of death. I would say these things are caused by capitalism, or again, it's at least a significant contributing factor. Add to that deaths caused by slavery in the US, numerous colonial conflicts, and totalitarian regimes installed or supported by capitalist countries. Edit 2: I love how the dumber centrists have now come along this post, and are too stupid to come up with a legitimate argument so they just ad hom. It's Karl Marx's 200th birthday, but there's nothing to celebrate. But people are starving nowadys because our imperailist countrys wealth is made by exploiting poor ones. You're mixing it up with Mercantilism. However, counter revolutonarys were killed, of course they were. A robust, statistical breakdown, and accompanying commentary on the worth of such an activity itself. Yes, I would say those things, with some qualifications. Since 2016, the term has been used in the United States and Canada to refer to perceived absurdities, contradictions, crises, injustices, and inequality created by modern business development. I figure it will be easier to list the death toll of the wars fought by the British. Server. Press J to jump to the feed. Socialism was young, it was all made by the people. Compare that with the way China has managed to contain the disease. 25 million — just soldiers. 0.18 million tons for a whole year. Chris Hedges. We have cropping shares known to us and the vast majority was dedicated to food crops. So I've talked a lot about the death toll of people of color but, capitalism is the great equalizer. Capitalism does not create poverty and death, reality creates poverty and death. Communist China: the high countputs it as 10 million, but dealth caused by direct government lower then that figure. If these starving countries (and only these countries) turned socialist, would the hunger within be eradicated without western help? Their only answers are to dust off the same old prescriptions that have been tried, tested, and found wanting again and again. 1. You can have a communist state that doesn't commit genocide, but you cannot have a capitalist state without poor people. According to America’s Johns Hopkins University, the Chinese death toll is nearly 4,700. So far, 2016 is the hottest year on record. It's like if I started going on about the evils of Stalin, or the Civil rights abuses in North Korea or concentration camps in China in order to prove to you the bad effects of communist governments. That is a minuscule 2.4 per cent of the American mortality figure, and yet China has a population roughly four times bigger than the US. Scores of millions of Indians perished in man-made famines between the  1769-1770  Great Bengal Famine and the 1942-1945 WW2 Bengal Famine. No one says that individual capitalist countries routinely kill millions per year. Capitalists, regardless of how the differ in technicalities, all agree that pursuing profit is fine and should remain possible. The typical claim is that "socialist"* regimes have killed "100 million" people. (12) Below are listed in rough  chronological order some shocking salient features of the deadly impact of rapacious British imperialism over 2 centuries in British India, Britain’s Auschwitz. Thats a fact. 80 million — including famine, war crimes, and disease. If you remove China’s actions against poverty from the balance of capitalism, then starvation-rate in capitalism is increasing. Capitalism began around the 19th century, not the 16h. Anyone with a brain would understand that it's referring to the centrists who only came to insult me. I dont get your point. 70. Capitalist (or at least proto-capitalist) countries were responsible for colonialism itself; at the very least, it was sustained by capitalism. In a press briefing held Monday in the White House Rose Garden, President Donald Trump declared that a death toll of 100,000 to 200,000 in the United States as … Talk about capitalism’s moral superiority the next time you hear someone parroting the politicians, entertainers, academics, clerics, and professional rabble rousers who are all bemoaning the failures of capitalism. The 3 Laws of Thermodynamics that underlie Chemistry, Physics and industry are (1) the energy of a closed system is constant, (2) the entropy (disorder, lack of information content) strives to a maximum, and (3) there is zero molecular motion in a pure crystal at absolute zero degrees Kelvin (-273. Are you saying they have a capitalist economy with property rights and free trade? The system your advocating would work perfectly if all the other workers were just like you- a true workers paradise. Financial flows alone out of developing countries have been estimated at over a trillion dollars annually. Yes, absolutely. All political beliefs are welcome! Fascism: 12 million. So this opinion might be too radical even for Marx himself but I feel like I have to state it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, the DPRK’s food situation looks better than the corporate media claims. I'm interested in your thoughts because I know I'm wrong somewhere. Well, history has shown what finally was done. The critics of the black book of communism’s claim of 94 million people killed by communism includes some the book’s own authors. Yes, on the condition that these places and their allies are left alone, devoid of imperialist intervention. By the mid-18th century three Presidency towns: Madras, Bombay and Calcutta, had grown in size. Yankee forces or Yankee‐supported surrogate forces have killed over two million Koreans a in three‐year war; three million Vietnamese; over five hundred thousand in aerial conflicts over Laos and Cambodia; over 1.5 million in Angola; over a million in Mozambique; over five hundred thousand in Afghanistan; 500,000–1,000,000 in Indonesia; two hundred thousand in East Timor; one hundred thousand in Nicaragua (combining the Somoza and Reagan eras); over one hundred thousand in Guatemala (in addition to forty thousand who ‘disappeared’); over seven hundred thousand in Iraq as of the 1990s; over sixty thousand in El Salvador; thirty thousand in the ‘dirty war’ of Argentina; 3.5 thousand in Taiwan; twenty thousand in Chile; and many more thousands in Haiti, Manama, Grenada, Brazil, South Africa, Western Sahara, Zaire, Turkey, and more. Socialism vs capitalism death toll. Werth is on record as saying that the allegations of a death toll of communism during the 20th century of beyond 85 million as being ‘non-clarified’ and ‘unjustified’. Unlike USA which literally attacks any country with no proof and zero accountability. And why are you just taking it for granted that capitalism will always lead to colonialism? If you already have the productive capacity to feed the country then seizing and better distributing that production could work wonders. Opium made around 2% of total land cropped. Capitalism and Marxism/Communism are two sides of the same coin with capitalist banking systems funding the exploits of global communism. Polya’s 3 Laws of Economics are based on the 3 Laws of Thermodynamics and posit that (1) Price (P) – Cost of Production (COP) = Profit (p), (2) deception about COP  strives to a maximum, and (3) No work, price or profit on a dead planet. I don't think it really is possible to judge or completely disentangle all of those things, but I think we should at least recognize the problem. Now I'm going to leave colonization of the Americas off the list. The Death Toll of Capitalism This was originally posted on Reddit by another user as a comment to a post in /r/LateStageCapitalism. I plan on living on a commune some day if thats ok with your total non point. Controversy about specific numbers aside for the moment, even critics of those countries generally argue that there were periods with large numbers of deaths, not consistent deaths year in and year out. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. (29) The major cost of production (COP) in the British Raj was the passive mass murder of 1.8 billion Indians through deadly impoverishment, and in keeping with Polya’s Second Law of Economics, the British strove to deceive the world about this horror. Indeed perpetrator Churchill made no mention for this atrocity in his 6-volume history “The Second World War” for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature.(6). What I am saying is: its more than populistic to say "socialism kills millions of people!!!! So if that's really the death toll: Capitalism: 2 billion. If your system relies on people dying does it matter where they die? 38.1k. ??? Capitalism is a system in which the principle of one dollar, one vote, dominates that of one person, one vote. The CHOP still stands. Compare that with the way China has managed to contain the disease. raw download clone embed report print. Come on my friend. Add to that the internal effects of poverty and inequality and environmental destruction. Have you ever wondered how ? But yes the fact that some countries are more developed than others is a consequence of capitalism. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Isn't that what you want? I have problems with anything except for 3, Russian dealth's during ww2 totaled 20m. However, people starved in socialism, like said above. British intentions were originally meant to be non violent trade but later became a centuries long occupation that led to 1.8 billion deaths. This already far surpasses the deaths of Socialism, but we still have more to go. Yes, I would say that. The argument for capitalism kills isn't an argument in and of itself, but a counter argument to communism kills. Medea Benjamin - Nicolas J. S. Davies. Communism: 100 million. It would be unfair to pin most of colonization on capitalism since it began in the 15th century, and the earliest form of capitalism didn't come around until a century later, but the death toll of Australia, Opium in China, and conquest of India will remain. https://ourworldindata.org/historical-poverty-reductions-more-than-a-story-about-free-market-capitalism. or simply to embrace communism altogether. Though many battles were fought by the British government they were on the behalf of the East India Company. I think thats a false premise. Same goes for socialist China, where I have to admit it was more of a economic mismanagement. Kids in the Ivory Coast gather the resources that we use for candy. The book itself is an example of what can be accomplished through cooperation by progressive working-class organizations. We were all young and naive at your age. As of July 14th, 2008, 4119 American soldiers and 314 troops from other nations in the "coalition of the willing" have been killed in Iraq since the war started on March 20th, 2003. (15), (16), Despite a very high birth rate, the Indian population did not increase between 1860 (292 million) and 1934 (292 million) [17]. Capitalism—and its basis of producing for profit rather than for need—leads to a lot of malnourishment and illogical distribution of resources. This is really the central point that leftists are making though. I do think some more communistic system would be a positive development, as would changes in international law and trade. Also your data is inconsistent, you use hard verifiable deaths for two systems and "we attribute it to" deaths for another. They are cursed from birth to endure poverty, disease, toxic contamination and, often, early death. In summary, an advocate of laissez-faire capitalism is a capitalist, i.e., though economically Ayn Rand was a novelist, politically she was a radical for capitalism, i.e., though economically Frederick Engels was a factory owner, politically — as co-author of The Communist Manifesto — Engels is a socialist/communist because of his ideas. Capitalism isn’t only harming us, it’s double-billing us: taking first from our wallets and then depriving us of a future. I will not deny, that people were killed in Gulags. Not a member of Pastebin yet? GSE Adsense. (6), Using Indian census data 1870-1950, assuming an Indian population of about 200 million in the period 1760-1870, and estimating by interpolation from available data an Indian avoidable death rate in (deaths per 1,000 of population) of 37 (1757-1920), 35 (1920-1930), 30 (1930-1940) and 24 (1940-1950), one can estimate Indian excess deaths of 592 million (1757-1837), 497 million (1837-1901) and 418 million (1901-1947), roughly 1.5 billion in total or 1.8 billion including the Native States. And the British conquest of India caused 35 million deaths, not 1.8 billion lmao. I did not watch it from beginning to end. Created Jun 18, 2008. Capitalism began around the 19th century, not the 16h. 7:05. 2. Here is the death toll of communism (as I have already posted the death toll of capitalism) all i wanna know is do you think these numbers are fair of your prefers economic system. Or were the African slavers also capitalist ? Socialism, Feudalism nor Agrarianism have hurt or killed more than Capitalism. Prof. Richard Wolff:… Tisdall continues: “to a watching world, the absence of a fair, affordable health care system and a disproportionate death toll among ethnic populations shows the US to be like “a poor, developing country,” certainly not the “most influential nation on earth.” Meanwhile, COVID19 is hardly over. Edit: It has come to my attention that some of points in here are wrong, I will keep this up but I will change the document. This is the second shooting death within the CHOP, after the first the feckless mayor said she wanted the CHOP removed. To justify this opinion, I must first go back to when Capitalism began. You have no understanding of imperialism, communist history and global economics. If we assume that an Indian Army soldier required 50% more food than the average Indian we would estimate that the annual grain requirement for a 2 million strong Indian Army would be about 0.45 million tons. This estimate can be “reduced” since not all of these were in the Army at the same time, scores of thousands were in the Mediterranean theatre (250,000 served there), had been captured by the Japanese or had died. To not be invaded? The 1942 shipment involved 2 lots from Australia contracted for at the rate of 15,000 tons per month to supply the Indian Army (the balance of the demand was not shipped that year). Eat cum you inbred ground fuckers, You're retarded if that's what you took away from edit 2. Email. Right now though, a lot of underdeveloped countries rely on food imports and foreign aid, and still have trouble with starvation and malnourishment. However, the reaction didnt stop there, so it was necessary to keep up socialism to send people to gulag that were a real threat to the peoples republic. I don't think either side should be making hyperbolic, unfounded claims. One has to be kinda dumb to believe the wars in favor for "freedom!! Few things are so confusing as the term capitalism. But in the USSR, all weapons were made by public sector institutions. Attempting the Truly Impossible: Capitalism's Death Toll Description. However, it sadly still was necessary, because this poor china need ti grow an Industry as fast as possible because socialist china was threaten by imperialist countrys worldwide. http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Reports/Slavedeathtoll/slaverydeathtoll.html. And the Soviet Union didn't? If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. They were private merchants who bought and sold as they wished. Name at least 3 countries where capitalism kills millions every year. Watch Queue Queue. The production of goods and services is … Its rivals were the merchant trading companies of Portugal, Denmark, the Netherlands, and France. The only way to prevent deaths from poverty is to incorporate communist/socialist policies (universal healthcare, social welfare, etc.) Nor do hey say it is purposeful. News Coronavirus latest: US death toll crosses 20,000. Respectfully, it seems like you've cherry picked data about one specific factor about economic systems in order to best frame your beliefs. This is an undeniable tragedy, causing enormous grief for families across the country. While I wasn't able to find an actual death count of the British East India Company's trade of Opium. However, like most things under capitalism, there is an unequal impact of the virus across the population. ... Barack Obama and the Death of Idealism. Cash crops like opium were preferred by some farmers because they paid better. About ten million dead in the Congo Free State, thirty-five million dead in British India, of the 50 to 100 million native americans only about 80% to 90% percent were left, and 1.5 million dead in French Algeria. Tech support has often been outsourced to India, where labour is cheaper. My good friend Jonathan Tepper wrote an excellent new book on this: The Myth of Capitalism: Monopolies and the Death of Competition. Thread starter Nomenclature; Start date Mar 14, 2020; Prev. According  to Professor Utsa Patnaik Indian per capita annual consumption of food  was 200 kg in 1900, but went down to 137 kg during World War II and in 1946. If communism killed 100 million, capitalism easily killed as many — if not more. let me guess, never? Austrian Leninist 4,099 views. Capitalism’s Cult of Human Sacrifice By Chris Hedges. However, assuming that the figures are accurate, the death toll of capitalism is going to outweigh this anyway. So a war by a Communist country is an actual justifiable war. The book itself is an example of what can be accomplished through cooperation by progressive working-class organizations. For your last point whether you can boot-strap socialism depends on the region and course the level of external interference. I don't see why that's somehow better. Most historians put the start of Capitalism in the 19th century, but Mercantile Capitalism has existed far longer starting around the 16th century. This way sadly many good people starved. And looking back comrade Mao should have managed it other way. Though many battles were fought by the British government they were on the behalf of the East India Company. As indicated in (6) above, the life expectancy of 27 years corresponded to about 10 million Indian avoidable deaths from deprivation per year. Under this circumstances it was hardly possible to manage it other way. I mean, just looking at ussr whole Stalin was a alive, and Pol pots regime is already greater than the deaths you've attributed to communism. The company was also still a major trade company during the opium war. Credible sources put the number of death from British rule at a bit over 55 million over a period of almost 2 centuries (and assuming every single death from famines is blamed on British rule and not droughts). You cant believe they just killed people for fun. Not caused necessarily, but certainly exacerbated. In the 1942-1945 WW2 Bengali Holocaust (Indian Holocaust, WW2 Bengal Famine) 6-7 million Indians were deliberately starved to death for strategic reasons by the British with Australian complicity (Australia was complicit by denying starving India food from its huge wartime food stores). Yes, they are capitalist. I think there are a lot of ways to "do" communism and capitalism. The mental health toll of the pandemic could rival that of the disease itself. Deconstructing the "death toll of capitalism" Good formatting. Going by your numbers you should be evangelizing for fascism, not socialism. That was more than a week ago. The Death Toll of Capitalism The mode of production wherein there exists a class of people who own the very means to livelihood and a class of property-less workers leads to class antagonism. When I say "communism," I have in mind a more communal, broadly democratic (not just politically but economically), and egalitarian system, just abstractly speaking. But its hands are just as flawed and imperfect as … http://sageamericanhistory.net/gildedage/topics/capital_labor_immigration.html. and human rights!!" Weapons were in their hands. Global capitalism is what causes these countries to starve. Sri Lanka has revised down the death toll from last Sunday's wave of bombings by more than 100, to "about 253", the health ministry says. I don't see why we have to look at internal starvation exclusively though. It requires a degree of self-confidence I did not possess. Are you saying capitalism in the developed west is causing starvation in the third world? Does that mean we should relax the punishment for killers and ban cars? You have to differenciate in what killing is. People are selfish. So I don't think the political-economic system of the USSR, for example, exhausted all the possibilities for what we can call communism. If these numbers are true, so what? That defensiveness and controversy are the point, not the number itself. Capitalism is the system that has provided us with the material wealth to lessen and delay it. This gives us 400 years of capitalist deaths to rack up on. Hunger is cured by providing food to the hungry. 2.1 If they are capitalist, are you saying that the capitalism within these countries is causing internal starvation? 30,000 US Revolutionary War 35,700 (If Russa removes a Monarch its bad right?) https://mronline.org/2019/01/15/britain-robbed-india-of-45-trillion-thence-1-8-billion-indians-died-from-deprivation/. Don't end up blaming the very idea of communism. Cautious estimates now accept a death toll of 200,000 people by Oct. 1. That opium was sold to the Chinese for profit, this segway takes us to our next topic, the Opium wars. The annual requirement for about 2 million men in the “reduced” Indian Army was therefore 0.3 million tons. They need to prodocue weapons, tanks, and more to at least had a chance to survive. Poverty-derived  avoidable mortality (avoidable death, excess mortality, excess death, premature death, untimely death, death that should not have happened) can be estimated as the difference between the actual deaths in a country and the deaths expected for a peaceful, decently governed country with same demographics (birth rate and percentage of children). Archived. If they can only produce X amounts of food and have 3X citizens then distribution can only do so much. Large weapons companies make a profit off of people's deaths. Right after socialism was formed the reaction tried to overtrow it, and just because Trotsky (though I am not a trotskyist) did great in handling the army against the white imperialists, socialism could win. Taking the gross Indian annual grain production estimates of about 60 million tons for 400 million people, we see that the average consumption was 0.15 tons per person per year (obviously more for adults and less for children). We don't know the dealth from amps such as these. For example: Russia experienced famines during it's industrialisation mainly due to the insane rate at which they changed over from being literal serfs (obviously there is more to it then that but I'm being brief). Post your debate challenge and see if any communists take you up on it. Broken Capitalism In practice, “capitalism” does indeed have flaws that justify the criticism. Nevertheless, hunger and hunger-related diseases killed 9 million people in 2019, more than from AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis combined. This seems like a valid response to what they say, The evidence is reaching? To me this is more evidence that the east India company was evil than the system of capitalism is evil. The african slavers were not capitalists, but the European slavers were mercantile capitalists, and used the slaves for mercantilism. 11. In fact most former British colonies have embraced capitalism and they are doing quite well for themselves. Reddit. World's Most Influential Finance and Economics Blog with Trenchant Commentary, Tenacious Investigation and Insider Political/Regulatory Analysis. Aug 18th, 2011. But in a Capitalist country such as US. If the NEEDS of the people were the necessary factor for economic not the exchange in money, starvation would end quite fast. a guest . Superexploited countries like Ethiopia, India, Somalia, and so forth have property rights and unrestricted trading, as far as I know. If these starving countries (and only these countries) turned socialist, would the hunger within be eradicated without western help? The population of all of South Asia was 165 million in 1700 and 326 million in 1913. But the real figure could be far more. Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit . Looking again at the Bengal Famine, that was caused by exporting food for profit rather than distributing it and that would have been avoided in a socialist system. 1.8 Billion + 18000 + 60 million +  plus the Gilded age deaths. 15 degrees Centigrade). B) 1.8 billion Indians died avoidably from egregious deprivation under the British. A robust, statistical breakdown, and accompanying commentary on the worth of such an activity itself. I would hope that forgoing blowing up other people's countries isn't too much of a socialist imposition. Whereas the U.S. was already relatively industrialised around the 1920's and they were still smacked with the depression. Whenever the atrocities of socialist regimes is mentioned here, Marxists retort with "capitalism kills millions every year." Bro, I think your heart is in the right place but I think your judging your fellow 'workers' against yourself. We look for news and topics that can be discussed in a more moderate light. 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